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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?
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how can a game that was a PnP in 2009 and now is officially a retail game (and for which the award link was to said official version until just a bit ago) win 2012 PnP?

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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?


Classified according to who? 13% of users classify it as such on the subdomain poll (which is how games get "categorized" on BGG), and that's even when only being allowed to choose just a single category for the game, which is conservative considering many games are hybrids of different categories.
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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?


Classified according to who? 13% of users classify it as such on the subdomain poll (which is how games get "categorized" on BGG), and that's even when only being allowed to choose just a single category for the game, which is conservative considering many games are hybrids of different categories.
Classified by the database/community hosting the awards.
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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?


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how can a game that was a PnP in 2009 and now is officially a retail game (and for which the award link was to said official version until just a bit ago) win 2012 PnP?


For the same reason that bud light is the most popular beer in the USA.
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schwarzott wrote:
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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?


Classified according to who? 13% of users classify it as such on the subdomain poll (which is how games get "categorized" on BGG), and that's even when only being allowed to choose just a single category for the game, which is conservative considering many games are hybrids of different categories.
Classified by the database/community hosting the awards.


So show me where it says in the award rules that a minimum of 50% of users, when forced to choose only a single category, have to consider a game a specific category for the game to be considered a nominee in that category? If 49% of users considered it "abstract," that wouldn't be enough? But 51% would transform it into an abstract game?
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JohnnyDollar wrote:
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How can a game that isn't even classified as an abstract game be nominated for best abstract game?


Classified according to who? 13% of users classify it as such on the subdomain poll (which is how games get "categorized" on BGG), and that's even when only being allowed to choose just a single category for the game, which is conservative considering many games are hybrids of different categories.
Classified by the database/community hosting the awards.


So show me where it says in the award rules that a minimum of 50% of users, when forced to choose only a single category, have to consider a game a specific category for the game to be considered a nominee in that category? If 49% of users considered it "abstract," that wouldn't be enough? But 51% would transform it into an abstract game?
This is a pointless argument, I asked a question hoping to get a response from someone who runs the show not start an argument to no where.
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Well I can at least take solace that Tzolkin will win the 2013 game of the year award to end the two year run of ameritrash titles taking the title.


Did you just call Dominant Species "Ameritrash"? It's a freaking worker placement game bro!


Actually I would call it Pangeatrash!!
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This is a pointless argument, I asked a question hoping to get a response from someone who runs the show not start an argument to no where.


No worries, I was just disputing your premise that "it is not categorized as an abstract game". I think when BGG established the subdomain user polls, and decided on a percentage level for which to display a game as, I would be surprised if they were thinking of that as a limiting criteria for how games should be categorized for the Geek awards or anything like that, it's just an interesting and useful tool in the same way the "# players" polls are.

Personally, I would argue that Kingdom Builder can be considered the same level of abstractedness as Chess, roughly. That is, if one is abstract the other should be also, as they both have some (minimal) thematic elements of admittedly varying degrees, but I wouldn't know where to draw the line between them. Then again I'm in a probably small minority that sees theme in Chess and doesn't consider it a pure abstract.
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Most of the awarded games from BoardGameGeek Golden Geek Winners! are not my cup of tea...sad...
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I am missing some interesting information there; for example how many people voted, how many 'points' went to each of the winning games, which games came in second and third, how many 'points' did those get and so forth. It would make this award a bit more transparent to me.
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I couldn't care less about the whining of the abstract gamers. Nobody likes those games anyway.

My beef is with the games in the Wargames category.

I mean, Sekigahara? A block game? Really? Block games are not wargames, they're more like war-themed toys. It is known.

And Virgin Queen? A CDG? Are you serious? If I want to play with cards, I'll play Poker. Or War. And I hate to break it to you, but despite the name, that's not a Wargame either.

And don't get me started on No Retreat. I mean, you've got to be effin' kiddin' me. A strategic East Front game with a 25 page rule"book" that plays in 2 hours? What will they try to sell us as Wargames next? Risk? Smallworld? Combat Commander?
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What will they try to sell us as Wargames next? Risk? Smallworld? Combat Commander?


I'm not sure if you were just trying to set someone else up for this punchline, but Risk Legacy was actually one of the nominees for best wargame this year.
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What will they try to sell us as Wargames next? Risk? Smallworld? Combat Commander?


I'm not sure if you were just trying to set someone else up for this punchline, but Risk Legacy was actually one of the nominees for best wargame this year.


I'm not sure why they even do the War Game category. It only elicits complaints. Maybe that's why they do it, though....
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I couldn't care less about the whining of the abstract gamers. Nobody likes those games anyway.

My beef is with the games in the Wargames category.

I mean, Sekigahara? A block game? Really? Block games are not wargames, they're more like war-themed toys. It is known.

And Virgin Queen? A CDG? Are you serious? If I want to play with cards, I'll play Poker. Or War. And I hate to break it to you, but despite the name, that's not a Wargame either.

And don't get me started on No Retreat. I mean, you've got to be effin' kiddin' me. A strategic East Front game with a 25 page rule"book" that plays in 2 hours? What will they try to sell us as Wargames next? Risk? Smallworld? Combat Commander?


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Congrats to Richard Garfield - seems like it was his year. 5 awards with King of Tokyo and Netrunner


Maybe this will be the push needed to bring him back to spending more time on great board and card games instead of mediocre digital games.
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I really do feel like Feld got snubbed. Trajan is a masterpiece.
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I really do feel like Feld got snubbed. Trajan is a masterpiece.


Indeed. Eclipse is a decent game, but really it's just a dice game with some Euro mechanics set in space when it comes down to it.
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Shampoo4you wrote:
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Well I can at least take solace that Tzolkin will win the 2013 game of the year award to end the two year run of ameritrash titles taking the title.


Did you just call Dominant Species "Ameritrash"? It's a freaking worker placement game bro!


Litmus test:

"When the game ends, players will conduct a final scoring of each tile -- after which the player controlling the animal with the highest VP total wins the game."

Does that sound like Ameritrash?

Also, more scientifically, do you feel a desire to make "pew pew" noises while you are playing?

Not Ameritrash. devil
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I'm doing some translations for this great list. Now that I've finished the winners list, where could I find all the nominee list to provide more information for geeks in China?
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I'm doing some translations for this great list. Now that I've finished the winners list, where could I find all the nominee list to provide more information for geeks in China?


Finalist list was here:
2012 Golden Geek Finalists Announced - Winners will be Announced on 11/17 - Vote for GOTY Now!

Nominee list was here:
2012 Golden Geek Awards - Nominees Announced - Voting Now Open!
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Well, it was meant as a joke. Thought that'd be more obvious. Then again, with the amount of genuine crap floating around, I can see how one might be unsure.
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Oh, I had a feeling you were joking, Helmut. But I couldn't pass up the chance to post Spock. BGG needs more Spock.
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I really do feel like Feld got snubbed. Trajan is a masterpiece.


Yeah that was me. Trajan was all that is bad wih Feld, cobbled together and disjointed. I guess I wasn't the only one who thought so.

Is it really a shock that no 52 lost out to no 5?
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