|
The Third Time's a Charm
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
I've noticed that a lot of games have been redone and become more successful the second time around, but there seem to be a few games that had to be reworked twice to become successful.
This geeklist is intended to honor those games, game mechanics, designers, and publishers that were most successful on their third attempt.
A lot of these are probably wargames as it might be more difficult to get a historical simulation correct. Furthermore, some older wargames may have had more time to be reworked.
I'm sure that there are probably some role-playing game and video game examples too.
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
This is probably the most prominent example that comes to mind:
Twilight Imperium (1997)
Number of User Rankings 581
Ranked 1001
Twilight Imperium (second edition) (2000)
Number of User Rankings 297
Ranked 1150
Twilight Imperium (third edition) (2005)
Number of User Rankings 6621
Ranked 29
-
-
2.
Board Game: Steam
[Average Rating:7.88 Overall Rank:22]
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
This one could be controversial due to the number of Age of Steam fans:
Age of Steam (2002)
Users Wanting a copy 386
Ranked 22
Railroad Tycoon (2005)/Railways of the World (2009)
Users Wanting a copy 342/289
Ranked 39/66
Steam (2009)
Users Wanting a copy 500
Ranked 16
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Space Hulk (1989)
Number of User Rankings 2334
Ranked 152
Space Hulk (second edition) (1996)
Number of User Rankings 132
Ranked 1426
Space Hulk (third edition) (2009)
Number of User Rankings 3526
Ranked 81
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Bowen Simmons Napoleonic games:
Thunder at Luetzen (1985)
Users Owning a copy 167
Users Wanting a copy 1
Ranked 5675
Bonaparte at Marengo (2005)
Users Owning a copy 1011
Users Wanting a copy 229
Ranked 281
Napoleon's Triumph (2007)
Users Owning a copy 1609
Users Wanting a copy 250
Ranked 74
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Blood Bowl (First Edition) (1986)
Number of User Rankings 369
Ranked 3802
Blood Bowl (Second Edition) (1988)
Number of User Rankings 751
Ranked 935
Blood Bowl (Third Edition) (1994)
Number of User Rankings 2562
Ranked 121
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
According to Successors (3rd Edition) notes, the "2nd Edition" is supposed to be the 1st Edition with the "real 2nd Edition" being a self-published version by John B. Firer and Mark Simonitch that was not widely distributed.
Successors (2nd Edition) (1997)
Number of User Rankings 377
Ranked 941
Successors (3rd Edition) (2008)
Number of User Rankings 623
Ranked 262
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Coloretto might be more popular than Zooloretto, but Zooloretto is the game than won all the awards.
Coloretto (2003)
Users Wanting a copy 176
Fans: 61
Awards: 4
Coloretto Amazonas (2005)
Users Wanting a copy 25
Fans: 1
Awards: 0
Zooloretto (2007)/Aquaretto (2008)
Users Wanting a copy 325/172
Fans: 103/26
Awards: 21/4
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Legend of the Five Rings (1st Edition)
RPG Rank 64
Legend of the Five Rings (2nd Edition)
RPG Rank 237
Legend of the Five Rings (3rd Edition)
RPG Rank 26
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
There is a Third Edition of "Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815" in the database ranked lower than the First Edition. This may partially be due that fact that the original game was split out in the database with certain wargamers perhaps never ranking the other version.
However, let's look at the history of Columbia's block games instead:
Quebec 1759 (1972)
-- 1st Columbia block game
Number of User Rankings 433
Ranked 865
War of 1812 (1973)
-- 2nd Columbia block game
Number of User Rankings 417
Ranked 823
Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815 (1974)
-- 3rd Columbia block game
Number of User Rankings 625
Ranked 439
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
DungeonQuest (1985)
Users Wanting a copy 103
Ranked 638
"A 2nd edition named Drakborgen Legenden was released in 2002 (never released outside Sweden)."
DungeonQuest (third edition) (2010)
Users Wanting a copy 176
Ranked 474
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Drakon (1st Edition) (2001)
Number of User Rankings 38
Ranked 4353
Drakon (2nd Edition) (2002)
Number of User Rankings 119
Ranked 3280
Drakon (3rd Edition) (2006)
Number of User Rankings 1749
Ranked 676
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Shadowrun (1st Edition)
RPG Rank 263
Shadowrun (2nd Edition)
RPG Rank 109
Shadowrun (3rd Edition)
RPG Rank 68
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Ben Hull's Musket & Pike Battle Series games published by GMT Games:
This Accursed Civil War (2002)
Number of User Rankings 176
Ranked 1123
Sweden Fights On (2003)
Number of User Rankings 139
Ranked 1165
Under the Lily Banners (2005)
Number of User Rankings 195
Ranked 869
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Mag·Blast (1998)
Number of User Rankings 289
Users Wanting a copy 3
Total Plays: 387
Mag·Blast (Second Edition) (2002)
Number of User Rankings 524
Users Wanting a copy 14
Total Plays: 1495
Mag·Blast (Third Edition) (2006)
Number of User Rankings 1124
Users Wanting a copy 35
Total Plays: 2330
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
HârnMaster (1st Edition)
RPG Rank 169
HârnMaster (2nd Edition)
RPG Rank 165
HârnMaster (3rd Edition)
RPG Rank 126
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Well, it has a "3" in the title...
Ubongo (2003)/Ubongo: Duel (2008) [Squares]
Average Rating: 6.94/7.08
Users Trading: 41/21
Ubongo Extreme (2007) [Hexes]
Average Rating: 6.98
Users Trading: 26
Ubongo 3D (2009) [Cubes]
Average Rating: 7.31
Users Trading: 8
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Glory (1995)
Users Owning a copy 277
Ranked 2567
Glory II: Across the Rappahannock (2002)
Users Owning a copy 331
Ranked 3634
Glory III (2007)
Users Owning a copy 425
Ranked 2410
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Streets of Stalingrad (1979)
Users Owning a copy 83
Number of User Rankings: 33
Ranked 3653
This game was re-edited in 1982 by Nova Games into the games of Battle for the Factories and Fire on the Volga.
Battle for the Factories (1982)/ Fire on the Volga (1982)
Users Owning a copy 64/46
Number of User Rankings: 15/9
Unranked/Unranked
Streets of Stalingrad (third edition) (2003)
Users Owning a copy 307
Number of User Rankings: 115
Ranked 1675
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
The Three Days Of Gettysburg (First Edition) (1995)
Number of Rankings: 26
Average Rating: 6.82
Users Wanting a copy 1
Users Owning a copy 370
Unranked
A second edition upgrade of The Three Days Of Gettysburg was apparently available in a ziplock and counters update the first edition.
The Three Days of Gettysburg (Third Edition) (2004)
Number of Rankings: 100
Average Rating: 7.39
Users Wanting a copy 15
Users Owning a copy 133
Ranked 1847
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Johnny Reb (1983)
Number of User Rankings 22
Unranked
"GDW released a 2nd edition with minor changes in 1988, with a scenario book To the Sound of the Guns the same year."
Johnny Reb III (1996)
Number of User Rankings 64
Ranked 2462
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
HellRail (1998)
Users Owning a copy 120
Number of User Rankings 56
Ranked 5537
HellRail (Second Perdition) (1999)
Users Owning a copy 135
Number of User Rankings 81
Ranked 4077
HellRail: Third Perdition (2001)
Users Owning a copy 698
Number of User Rankings 444
Ranked 2645
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
BESM (1st Edition)
RPG Rank 428
BESM (2nd Edition)
RPG Rank 363
BESM (2nd Edition Revised)
RPG Rank 319
BESM (3rd Edition)
RPG Rank 285
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
The first edition was published by Marshall/Martial Enterprises.
The second edition was published by GDW.
La Bataille de la Moscowa (1st & 2nd editions) (1975)
Users Trading: 8
Fans: 6
Average Rating: 7.79
La Bataille de la Moscowa (3rd edition) (2011)
Users Trading: 1
Fans: 20
Average Rating: 9.22*
(*9.22 isn't a bad average rating.)
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Boot Hill (1st Edition)
RPG Rank 375
Boot Hill (2nd Edition)
RPG Rank 313
Boot Hill (3rd Edition)
RPG Rank 300
-
-
Chris R.
United States
Unspecified
Missouri
-
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (1st Edition)
Average Rating: 7.43
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (2nd Edition)
Average Rating: 7.60
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (3rd Edition)
Average Rating: 7.7
-
-
|
|
|
Florida
Wargames are never really "finished" since customer playtesting and developments in the hobby frequently spark improvements in existing designs. Of course, quite a number of New & Improved (tm) versions are mangled during the process instead of polished... but that is another issue.
Los Angeles
California
Brisbane
Queensland
The actual rating is the most helpful metric you've provided. But even that when discussing different editions of the same game tend to get skewed a little bit.
Thanks for going to the effort of making the list I learnt about some new games.
Brisbane
Queensland