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I am almost done reading the 8th edition Warhammer fantasy battle rulebook. And I wonder if it is the biggest rulebook ever made. I want to find the biggest rulebook and I am tossing in 10 GG in a pot that will be given to those who find the extremities in rulebooks. I will also add any tip given to the pot.

The 3 first competitions are boardgames only while the 4th allows RPG's aswell.
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1. Board Game: Warhammer Fantasy Battle [Average Rating:6.69 Overall Rank:746]
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Most pages in single volume.

The main quest is to find the biggest rulebook in a single volume. It do have to include rules, but all other text are counted. In the chase of the Warhammer rulebook, most of the pages are pictures, modeling tips and background. This is OK. The size of the pages do not matter, neither do font size.

Only Boardgames are allowed.

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I add the first entry. The current Warhammer rulebook have 528 pages!
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wifwendell wrote:
WIF comes nowhere near 528 pages!


is it correct?

i can open my box, but dont believe WiF has all this rules...can you consider the WiF Journal (forgive the name) or optional rules for diplomacy, leaders and others?
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jaugusto72 wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
WIF comes nowhere near 528 pages!


is it correct?

i can open my box, but dont believe WiF has all this rules...can you consider the WiF Journal (forgive the name) or optional rules for diplomacy, leaders and others?


As a Word doc, the WIFFE rules are 97 pages; that includes most options. The scenario book must run 40 pages or so. Days of Decision probably something similar.

So pretty hefty but short of 528!
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jaugusto72 wrote:
well..a game with 528 pages of rules dont can be a good game
Most of the pages are non rule stuff. I think it is a great game.
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The Master Rules for Star Fleet Battles include the rulebooks for Basic Set, Advanced Missions, C1, C2, C3, J, J2, K, M, X, and Y1. It's 400+ pages.

A fully consolidated SFB rulebook is well over 800 pages consolidated into a binders... most people wind up with it in 2-4 LARGE binders. Mine's 2x 4" D-Ring binders. That's because of 11 R modules, Y2, C4-5, and more...at 30-60 pages each...

Not counting the equally large number of pages of SSD books. If I set all the paper from SFB Captain's that I've got (and I quit before a bunch of stuff came out) on your chest, you might find breathing somewhat difficult
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2. Board Game: Warhammer Fantasy Battle [Average Rating:6.69 Overall Rank:746]
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Most pages in box.

A secondary quest is to find the game with most pages included. So a game with many books included in one box do add all the books pages, no matter the page size, together. Note it must be included in one box, so Expantions are not counted.

Prize: Pot/10 * 2
 
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I think Warhammer can win this too. 528 pages!
 
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Are you looking at the new edition, because that thing is huge. You could hurt somebody with that thing.
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3. Board Game: It's a Small World Game [Average Rating:6.50 Unranked]
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Smallest rulebook/sheet.

To find the shortest/smallest rules, I have decided to go for letters. Count each letter on the rule sheet, including all non gaming information such as copyright information.

- Rules in languages that do not have letters, but symbols, such as Japanese and Chinese do not count.

- The rules must be printed on paper and published.

- It has to be full, playable rules. Bridge scoring cards included in some deck of cards do not count.

Prize: Pot/10 * 2
 
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Doubt it's the very lowest, but Infinite City has to at least be a good benchmark of short rules for a full game -- a total of four pages (both sides of a one-fold sheet), 1,012 words, 4,560 characters.
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EDIT: Misunderstood contest, sorry.
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I have av version ofLatrunculorum that is named "Taktikus" It have a sheet of rules with 788 letters. It is danish.

I belive the rules that came with Macdonald's happy meal's MB games was pictures only. Those who can check this out, could be the winner.
 
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I guess one of the Bonsai games could be a hot competitor for that one
 
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A bonus quest.

This is the same as my second item, but RPG's are also allowed to enter.

Prize: Pot/10 * 2
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I start with Warhammer here aswell. 528 pages
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Burning Empires has 656 pages. It is affectionately known as "The Brick".

It is digest-sized though

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Are expansions included, or only core systems. Do slip sleeves count as boxes?
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If it ever was sold as one package it counts. Be it in a sleeve, box or bag. It have to be an official release, and not just a shop binding the core book with some expantions with some string.
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If it ever was sold as one package it counts. Be it in a sleeve, box or bag. It have to be an official release, and not just a shop binding the core book with some expantions with some string.


The v.3.5 Core Rulebook Collection contains 3 x 320 page books, for a total of 960 pages.
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Some other books may beat this in terms of word count or sheer weight.

However if considering sheer number of actual rules and not counting things like descriptions (let's call the category rules density) then RPGs and their board spin-offs don't come close. (And this is coming from a guy with both wargames and RPGs in his gaming history, so I've seen 'em all from the inside.)

Especially potent when you start throwing in the modules all of whose rules fit into the 3-ring-binder provided...

Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kit #1
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kit #2
Advanced Squad Leader: Starter Kit #3

And so on.
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Chapters A to Z come to 639 pages by my reckoning (including West Of Alamein vehicle notes rather than King And Country vehicle notes), not including Valour Of The Guards (which I don't have), and not including Starter Kits.



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This is what I thought of when I saw the list. Hefty rules - useful in hand to hand combat!
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gamer72 wrote:


Chapters A to Z come to 639 pages by my reckoning (including West Of Alamein vehicle notes rather than King And Country vehicle notes), not including Valour Of The Guards (which I don't have), and not including Starter Kits.





But is it published in one book or one boxed set? Adding expantions is making it very difficult to judge. I Guess D&D would do well as I have allowed all flavour text, pictures and such.
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ASL came in a binder and each subsequent release, if it added rules, would be punched to be included in said binder. So technically, if you had all the sets, then yes, it was one book.
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ASL came in a binder and each subsequent release, if it added rules, would be punched to be included in said binder. So technically, if you had all the sets, then yes, it was one book.


But still it was sold seperatly? If so it doesn't count.
 
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6. Board Game: Scrabble [Average Rating:6.45 Overall Rank:840]
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The rules say "Players may place any word which can be found in a standard English language dictionary", so you need a dictionary to have the complete rules.

This one has 1306 pages.
http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Large-Print-Dictionary-Elliott/...
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Nice try, but it is not sold along with the game, but nice try.
 
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7. RPG Item: HERO System Fifth Edition Revised [Average Rating:7.02 Overall Rank:1042]
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The longest published RPG core book I can think of is HERO System (5th edition revised), weighing it at a hefty 592 pages…
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This book also wins in the lightest rule book faux category too. Seriously, this book is the lightest rpg book I've ever lifted.
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But the longest published RPG book of any kind that I can think of is the monstrous World's Largest Dungeon, at 840 pages, edging out the heavier-by-weight contender of Ptolus: Monte Cook's City by the Spire and its 672 apparently-thicker pages…
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And yet TWLD still sucks.
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9. RPG Item: F.A.T.A.L. [Average Rating:1.83 Overall Rank:5261]
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Unfortunately, the longest RPG item of any sort that I can think of is the atrocity that is F.A.T.A.L. and its 981 pages of horrific infamy. Not it only does it pack unimaginable quantities of racism, misogyny, and other vileness into its overflowing length, the rules themselves are a terrible, unplayable, eye-bleed-inducing monstrosity as well. Please tell me this thing was never published in physical form so it won't win.
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Well just in case FATAL is DQ'd, the fantastic Starblazer Adventurers comes in at 632 pages.
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Just a math note: The first prize should be pot/6 or else you'll be paying out too much...

PS - Do RPGs count?
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I did the calculations wrong. I was thinking how many parts they should have been given. I have corrected the math.

RPGs does not count. But I'll add on that includes RPG's
 
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Do games which only have pdf rulebooks count?
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They have to be published on paper. Digital is so easy and non impressive.

Is F.A.T.A.L released on paper?
 
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As there were no box or book mentioned that included more pages than Warhammer 8th edition there is no prize for this.

Kilrah got the smallest rules. Even if I guess they were far from the smallest out there. But a 2 GG to him.

Parrais got the largest RPG deal with D&D 960 pages, and Santiago got the largest single volume book. 2 GG to each of them.
 
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